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Ep #190: Tanner Haas: Protect Your Privacy NOW: Why FreedomChat Changes the Game

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Privacy isn’t free—and Tanner Haas is here to prove it. 

In this episode of the  Business Growth Architect Show: Founders of the Future, we cut through the noise about so-called “end-to-end encryption” and uncover what’s really happening when you send that photo, video, or text. Tanner reveals why free apps like WhatsApp and iMessage aren’t as private as they claim, and how their business model depends on turning your personal life into profit.

What I loved most about this conversation is Tanner’s straightforward honesty. He doesn’t mince words when it comes to exposing the games Big Tech plays with our data. He also shares his entrepreneurial journey—how frustration with misleading privacy promises pushed him to create FreedomChat, an app built on three non-negotiable pillars: true end-to-end encryption, no storage on servers, and zero commercial use of user data.

This is a wake-up call for anyone who’s ever said, “I have nothing to hide.” Privacy isn’t about hiding—it’s about your right to communicate safely with your family, friends, and colleagues without being turned into the product. Tanner’s passion and persistence will leave you rethinking the apps you use every day.

👉 Discover more of Tanner’s work and download FreedomChat at https://tannerhaas.com/ 


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Tanner Haas: Website | FreedomChat

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Tanner Haas:

What makes my blood boil? People Deserve privacy. What's yours should remain yours. What makes my blood boil? If you don't pay for a product, you are the product.

BEATE CHELETTE:

My opening question for you today is, Tanner, what makes your blood

Tanner Haas:

boil? What makes my blood boil are the number of individuals being screwed by the US healthcare system is number one. Number two is the call it the lame person mindset, meaning that they believe they can't do something just because, just because. So those two things, I know they're on different ends of the spectrum, unrelated, but those two things make my blood boil more than anything else.

BEATE CHELETTE:

You started to create an app. So tell us about this app, and your blood was boiling when you built that one

Tanner Haas:

Didn't it correct? It definitely did boil. And this too. one is called Freedom Chat, and I mean that now has a different connotation than it did two and a half years ago, but it is designed for those that want absolute privacy and security, which to me, shouldn't be a hard ask, but it is so really prompted me. What made my blood boil is the amount of apps that are truly unauthentic. You go on their website, they say, message privately, and then encryption. I mean, that's like a butt of buzzword, but when you actually dive into it, what does end that encryption actually mean? Like, where's the end? So what that really means, if you ask me, What send that encryption is it means no one, under any circumstance, other than the intended recipient, can read a message. But if you ask WhatsApp, totally different connotation behind that. It means, well, if you report a user, we can see it. If you back it up to another device, we can see it. I mean that that just started to make my blood boil. People Deserve privacy, wherever you end on the spectrum, political doesn't matter your belief, like everybody should be able to talk to their friends, family and Associates in private without somebody else looking over their shoulder. Do you think we're being lied to? I think we're being told more lies than women are being told the truth.

BEATE CHELETTE:

How do I know? Right? So, why does this matter? So does it matter on whether I'm on, like a WhatsApp, or people go to signal, or, you know, any of these other places, and it says it's end to end encryption, nobody can go in. So you say, that's a lie. Why does this

Tanner Haas:

matter? It matters because I think if you don't have your privacy, you have nothing. And it doesn't just stem from you sending a message. It could be an image, it could be a video, it could be your social security number, it could be a credit card, any little thing, and it's also healthcare information, financial information. So yeah, we are being lied to. It. It all matters and the people, the most common thing I hear for the opposition is, well, I have nothing to hide. Doesn't matter if you have something to hide or not. It's just wait until something happens. You run for something there's a hack at a company that you were using. All of a sudden, these conversations that you might not have thought meant anything, or out in the open, that image or video that, I mean, it all matters, because what's yours should remain yours. Just give people their privacy, because as soon as you don't have, I mean, look at China, they have this social credit score. You It's group think. You can't say something without being criticized. And freedom of thought is the individual expression, the freedom to think and say what you believe, wherever you are, I don't really care. Everybody should be able to say what is on their mind, because the moment we get away from that, people are afraid to speak their mind because they fear of a leak or some privacy repercussion. That's when you just get a society that's not creative. I think there's so many risks. It's interesting that people the first thing they might say is, I have nothing to hide. I just think that's a very weak argument.

BEATE CHELETTE:

I don't think necessarily that it's about hiding anything. I think it's about a right to a right to enjoy what I pay for. So if I pay for a phone and I want to send my family a photo of my two year old granddaughter. I want to be able to do that without fearing that that's going to end up on some child porn site because somebody hacked into that. Right? What was this trigger event that made you create this? Because nobody, nobody, no entrepreneur ever wakes up one morning and goes like, oh, well, I'm going to do something that nobody has ever done before. I'm going to take this a lot more serious. What made you do this?

Tanner Haas:

I'm so happy you just said what you said, because that is such a misconception. People think that Travis kalanit and Garrett camp, the guys that started Uber, had this, oh, it's epiphany. They knew the color scheme. They knew what they're going to do. Like, that's not how it works. It is you have a moment, and then you work on the idea a little more and then it becomes a little more refined, so on and so forth. I had a marketing company, a website creation firm, and we did really well. We had publicly traded clients, some very successful privately held clients, and I would manage some sites. I mean, this would range from conservative websites to a gold mining company to healthcare companies, pharmacies. I mean, we had clients all over the spectrum, but one thing was pretty consistent from these sites and even a pharmacy like they were asking about, is their information encrypted? Is it secure this, some of these new, new sites we were managing, were they were concerned about their privacy. And I was like, Okay, well, what is what is all this about? And so I started to do some research. Started to look in the other the options WhatsApp, who claims they're incredibly private, right? But they're owned and operated by Facebook Meta, so obviously, right there, that's a red flag, but when you dive into it, I didn't like what I was seeing. That your images and videos are all always stored on a server, often indefinitely. They're usually not encrypted on the back end, so they're visible even when you delete it, even after you delete it, even after you delete it, which is people think I deleted that it's gone forever and it's no, it's not. It's gone from your eyes, not from other people's eyes. So and we'll all, I'll come back to that, because that's a good point, and that's why we came up with a feature for freedom chat, specifically for that. But the more I dove into it, the you see the rate of cybersecurity incidents people's trust is declining. Well, it really prompted, okay, maybe I'm going to start something like this. And then I just had two things happen firsthand. Number one was I had a buddy of mine, and he lives on Miami Beach. It's an apartment, and he was filming, it's a beautiful home, but he was filming his new hot tub and his new cold tub, and he sent me a video, didn't message me. Send no text message. It was just a video, and he was filming, he says, look on my cold tub, hot tub, cold tub, hot tub, like as a joke. And all of a sudden he sent that awry message. And all over Safari, all over this is when I had some social media. I have no social media anymore, and I was being advertised for cold and hot tubs, and I'm like, he didn't even text me. He just sent a video, and he was narrating the video. And this is an iMessage, which is supposed to be, they say, and then encrypted. But no, I was getting ads all over Safari. I was getting ads all over social. When you look at iMessage, well, they actually sync with Safari. So what you share, the content in there can be used for advertising purposes, and then it can be shared with third parties. Again, third parties is an ambiguous term that could mean, I mean, where does it stop? What's a third party? Anybody? So that was number one, and then the other one was my grandma. She's super sweet lady, different. Last name lives across the country from me. Got a call, and she called me multiple times. I mean, back to back to back to back, and on the last one, I answer because I'm thinking, oh my, somebody died. Something's wrong. What? What happened? And she said, I got a call that you were in a horrible car accident. I need $25,000 for surgery. And I'm like, no, no, please do not send that. I am okay. And what's concerning about that is she doesn't have my last name. We're not in the same state, anywhere near each other. I had been in a car accident once before. I did require surgery. So it's kind of like, well, how did they know that she was my grandma. How does she know? And then you go back to it and say, Well, if you've ever used WhatsApp, all your contacts are shared with the parent company, and they use that to see, well, how do you message each other? How do you know each other? And all that information is shared with third parties. I mean, Facebook is notoriously known for not giving a rat's behind about your privacy. So it was these two things. Were these companies. I mean, you see, I message or iPhone, and they say, privacy, that's iPhone. That's just a load of crap. That's what that is. And then WhatsApp message privately. It's like, okay, this is just ridiculous. And so I was like, You know what? I'm gonna I texted five people, five of my clients, super successful. I said, I'm thinking of starting this. What do you think? And they said, go for it. And right then. And there's like, Okay, I'm gonna make a private messaging app with and then encryption true, and then encryption meaning we can't even decrypt it under any circumstances, no commercial use of user data and no storage or messages on our server. So the three pillars of privacy and I just got off to the races, but the more I worked on it, the more refined the idea became, the more I connected with the right people, places, circumstances and. Just crazy how things unfold. Once you sort of decide I'm going to do this, come hell or high water, I'm going to do this. It's amazing how things just transpire.

BEATE CHELETTE:

So what you're saying is, what makes this idea different is that you can I say you are a man of your word, which is, well, I'm

Tanner Haas:

authentic. That's what I would use, and that's, I don't like the fakeness. And what I mean by that is, it's like health care. That's what I said when it makes my blood boil. I've been next startup will be in the healthcare space. So what causes the majority of bankruptcies in this country? It's medical debt. But as you know that the majority of hospitals in this country claim their nonprofit so those same hospitals that go and garnish individuals wages that inflate something between two times and 23 times, it's Medicare, Medicaid, like what they would actually pay for it. So they'll inflate it, let's say 20 times. Send you a bill you don't pay. They garnish your wage. But no, we're a non profit company, a non profit organization. We don't pay state taxes. We don't pay county federal they rip off people, they screw people, they garnish their wage, and that's part of my reason. Signal, which you mentioned, claims are non profit. Same thing irks me beyond belief, a nonprofit is supposed to be a church, a water group, like something where you're going to get less than market rate salaries, right? That's a nonprofit. You're doing something for the good of humanity. You're not going to collect millions of dollars in bonuses like a tech CTO. I mean, we saw this play out with open AI, where we're a nonprofit. You're not. You wanted it supposed to be a little incubator, and now, obviously you're not a nonprofit. You guys retain some top talent in Silicon Valley. Ridiculous, medical, same thing. Signal, same thing. I despise that type of stuff, like, just say you're a for profit corporation. I'm a capitalist. We want to make money. We're never going to sell your data, though, because it's not our business model. That's not how I want to do things. We will will license out our encryption, we'll have memberships. We'll keep our costs down. So I would say I'm authentic. And it irks me that these other like just say who you are, what you believe, and stand by that.

BEATE CHELETTE:

Do you think that this notion that people want stuff for free really bites them in the butt ultimately, because if I want a free messenger app, instead of what paying $100 a year for something, right? Is that a price I pay for my desire for everything to be free? Is there? Is there something wrong with my brain, is what I'm asking.

Tanner Haas:

If you don't pay for a product, you are the product. I mean, every company's got to make money. So especially these messaging apps, other than freedom chat, they store every message on a server, cloud storage costs become ridiculously expensive. So WhatsApp, Telegram, signal, imessage. I mean, they're not doing this out of the goodness of their heart. So even like email service, I mean, Gmail is notorious for scanning your emails. They use that to better target ads for you. So it's like if you're not paying for a product, unless the company has given you clear text as to why you are the product they want you. They want your data, but the use of data has become so ambiguous. When they hear data, they're like, that's my data. Whoa. I mean, it's not just your name and your email, it's where you live, your political affiliation, financial information, social security number identifiers, like a lot of things that are going to be used against you, that they build this persona of you. I mean, it's, we seem to change the connotation behind the word data. It's so much more than that. It's you. It's everything that makes you who you are. They have that, and they use that against you.

BEATE CHELETTE:

Yeah, I see this all the time. You know, when I was on vacation, I had a I think I don't even know that how many fraud I've had on my credit card. And I woke up to 72 wing stop and pizza purchases.

Tanner Haas:

They had a good time with that card.

BEATE CHELETTE:

Holy smokes. Whoever it was was hungry. You know, I was like, all pizza and wing stop and go like, man, that's what people do with stolen data. They go and buy buy themselves some fast food. At least we live a more sophisticated. I mean, you know, judging

Tanner Haas:

steakhouse honestly, like, exactly,

BEATE CHELETTE:

go get some decent food. You were saying that privacy is an issue. Take me through what happens if I brush this off? Because you kind of said earlier, sometimes people think, yeah, you know, whatever, I can't do anything about this. So let's say I'm having this laissez faire attitude. You said that's one of the things that really bother you, the most people that just go like, I nothing I can do so there's nothing I can do about it. That's just the way it is. Are you calling.

Tanner Haas:

Bullshit. I mean, of course, there's somebody can do about everything, so whether that's I can't get in better shape. Okay, that's bullshit. I can't read more, okay? Nonsense, I can't take care of my privacy. Nonsense, it's the laws. It doesn't just apply to privacy. It's everything, the I can't do it, the poor me mentality. I think everybody should just be proactive, do a digital cleanup. You would be so shocked and surprised. I mean, Google your name. Most people have so much information out there, and you're like, how did you get this? Well, they crawled websites. These companies share your information. I mean, they have your address. There's like, one for safety reasons. Two, just wait till you become someone of power, like it doesn't matter. You might not think it matters. Now make a little bit of money and see how many fraud attempts. Right? You can have your bank account train you somebody can take out a loan and like, there's so many things that you just want to cover. Just do a digital cleanup, protect your conversations, protect your privacy. Doesn't take that much time, doesn't take that much effort. And if you're going to continue to use these free services, they're not actually free. You are the product, and sooner or later, it's going to come to bite you in the ass. Promise you are there

BEATE CHELETTE:

some things that I should be doing immediately. Let's say I'm on WhatsApp. Should I be doing these disappearing messages? Should I not save my messages on the iPhone in perpetuity? Are there just some basic, basic best practices that I should be doing?

Tanner Haas:

You should be using freedom chat and disappearing your messages. We call it self destruct, because ours is actually self destruct. It's often your device, the recipients and the server WhatsApp is disappearing messages, but we'll still keep it on the server just in case. Like, that's not disappearing message, that's it appears like it's been removed, but it's still on their servers, often, always indefinitely. So I would that's why, like, when you send a message on freedom chat, you can send images, videos, gifts, you can edit, unsend, self destruct, anything you self destruct, you unsend. It's off your device, software recipients device, it's off our servers, and it's like it never happened. And that just ensures we want to give people the same sense of security as the spoken word I and the other common argument I hear, which is, again, nonsense, is, well, what about bad actors? Well, there's bad actors everywhere in the world. I mean, there's bad actors on Discord, which has no end to end encryption, and they can see everything. So was that a choice on their part? I'm gonna be Yeah. Shame on them. They should have seen that. There's no end to encryption there, Instagram, Facebook, for us, we have no tolerance for anything illegal, anything like that. So I would just say it's not right to police everybody, because there are potential few bad actors like assume the best in people, and we're just trying to give everyday, not even just Americans, everybody around the world, the freedom to speak freely and message privately. When you

BEATE CHELETTE:

say freedom chat, I gotta say it. I feel the Maga movement screaming in the background was that intended?

Tanner Haas:

No, it was not. And I'm not Maga. I'm an independent. I just believe in freedom of speech, freedom of thought, privacy. I definitely have more leanings on the conservative side. I think healthcare needs to be fixed. And for me, like, there's not a whole lot of conservatives that say the raise taxes, but we need to tax the crap out of these healthcare companies. Get government out. I think so. Again, I don't want to be put in like, this box that this is me and this is what it's used for. No, I freedom is ubiquitous. The desire for freedom is ubiquitous. It's there was a news company in Taiwan that wrote about us. Taiwan is very fearful of a Chinese invasion, like it's very important to them. Bangladesh has just had a huge blow up with their Prime Minister. We had somebody write about us there. So really, now it's just been put in a box because we're in the United States. But freedom is a desire everywhere in the world, and I think it has a negative connotation around the world now, but that the intention is just to allow everybody to speak freely and message privately. And what is it? Is a freedom chat like,

BEATE CHELETTE:

No, I hear you. I have to ask this, because my leanings definitely are been working with artists and crazy people all my entire life, so I understand the human condition on another side of this, but I also look at this and I can't stand the being put in a box of that I have to like all the doctrines of the one and all the doctrines of the other. I don't think it works like that. I think we got to get back to basics, which is why I wanted you on the show to say, look, privacy matters, security matters, and here, here is a thing. What kind of challenges are you encountering? You know, so. I mean, the name being one, I'm sure that people are not just praising you. So what are you up against as an entrepreneur with an idea that makes the product the product, not the person the product?

Tanner Haas:

I mean, the name definitely is bittersweet, in all honesty, because you can get one, let's say 40% of the population in the US to be all excited about you, use it, love it, and then 50 to 60% will write it off. Just gives your name, which I'm like, Okay, that wasn't the intent freedom anybody should. That should be everybody's goal. Like you want to be able to message privately. That shouldn't just be a conservative issue or a liberal issue. It's an everybody issue. Everybody's had some sort of privacy mishap where. So that's my take on that. But freedom chat is so much bigger than just a so called conservative messaging app. It's a cyber security company. We've launched freedom chat for business, which we allow companies could be dating apps. Could be a healthcare company. They can create a white label of freedom chat, meaning they take our features, our security, and create their own messaging app. So we work with dating apps. We worked with another type of messaging app. We worked with a telemedicine company. So our security is going to be used then a lot more than just our audience. I see our encryption powering a lot of the healthcare market, so and then also building HIPAA compliant chat solutions for healthcare, solutions for the legal industry. Freedom chat is a brand within that portfolio of what we do. It's not necessarily the company.

BEATE CHELETTE:

I think that there's lots of applications. There's a flip side to it. So of course, illegal activities probably want this really badly, because they cannot be tracked, which is one of the things the government probably is going to have a look at you at some point or another, because that's their main concern. So you kind of can't get it right on every level. Like, if it's freedom, it's freedom for everybody, and you can't control it like that. So in this since you've been doing that, what's your personal transformation? Like, what have you since found out about yourself or learned about yourself, or anything that you can share with our audience is like, well before it was this, and now I'm not this

Tanner Haas:

is just gonna probably sound a little boisterous and arrogant, but I'm wildly persistent, and I I didn't discover that along this, but it just reinforced the fact, like a lot of people, don't really know what they can do until you set out to do it. And ideas don't come out fully formed. They become clearer as you work on them. So that's why a lot of people don't get started, or they don't continue, because it's no that idea wasn't that clear, like, I wasn't sure what to do. Well, most people aren't sure what to do. 99 I mean, everybody like you take one step, and then you just figure it out. So this the personal transformation here is, I am a much better entrepreneur, because this has been incredibly difficult. I mean, building a truly private messaging app, the amount of pen testing, the amount of security issues we've had, the amount of security fixes we've implemented. I mean, it's just like it is a lot. It's not like you have a product and you release the product. You have to test it continuously. The moment you think you're over the hump, something happens and oh my gosh, then you can quit and cry, or you can get up and persist. So like this personal transformation is it's my fourth company. I started my first one when I was 18, sold the same that one when I was 21 I used to think that was difficult. It was a nutrition company. And now I'm like thinking like, if I wanted cake, it was a piece of cake. If I wanted to start another nutrition company, get it to the same level of scale, would probably take me three to four months. That's it, and it's not I consider it a side hustle. I'm talking to my wife, and we're like, hey, let's you start a product company, because we want some fun, like a side hustle back then I'm like, this is consuming all my brain power. It's just you. I feel myself like I'm becoming a better entrepreneur. I'm a better leader. That's where the personal transformations happen. So it's kind of like people should also look at starting a company, running the company, like you're going to learn a lot. You're going to become a much better version of yourself. It's not necessarily the financial success, of course, that's what everybody's shooting for. But you can take a lot of swings, like some companies will work out some won't you just keep swinging? You're going to become a better entrepreneur, a better person, a better leader each time. So I wish, like, people viewed it as that as well, not just, Well, I made this and didn't do well. No, it's like, what did you learn? What did you do? What did you become? Because life's it's short, but it's long, like, you're gonna have a lot of opportunities, so you don't want these lessons to go to waste. What's your favorite mistake that I've ever made? Or in general. Haha,

BEATE CHELETTE:

it's your favorite mistake. So you get to pick it.

Tanner Haas:

My favorite mistake. I think there's like three, my biggest mistake, and it's usually the opposite, because a lot of people usually move super slow or pretty conservative, not politically, but like, just in their thought process and their thinking, they move super slow. They're not like, I'm going to go do this and do this and start. For me, when I start companies, it's usually a lot faster than it should be. Meaning I do I will just plow money. I will go move ahead. Or we're going to do this, we're going to do this, we're going to and just keep going, going sometimes it makes sense to make a plant. And I've learned that, like my first company, it was a nutrition company, and I decided I wanted to have protein powder. I didn't think about the economics of the business. I just thought, I'm going to do this. And so I wired some money to this really supplement manufacturer. I didn't know due diligence. And so when they come back, and this is the pricing, am I okay? And this is how much I'm going to sell for. And then there's shipping involved. And like, I'm not going to make any money on this product yet. I just wired them some like, so the biggest mistake sometimes people need to spend more time. Like Abraham Lincoln said, If I had seven hours, I'd spend the first six sharpening the AX for that means like, set a plan, get organized and progress forward. Don't just sometimes, don't just jump into things. But there's also, like, the count. The flip side is some people usually just plan forever, and then they use it as an excuse not to begin. So you kind of have to, if you move too quickly and you're usually breaking too many things, then you should take a step back and plan a little bit and progress like sequentially. If you on the flip side, you move too slow, then shut up, stop talking and just begin. It'll never happen. Yeah, that's my mistake. Is usually moving too fast when I should have set a plan and slow down. Do things a little more meticulously, not necessarily methodically, because you still want to move quickly, but make sure you have your ducks in a row and you're not scrambling so much.

BEATE CHELETTE:

I like that a lot. Are you driven by any spiritual, spiritual beliefs?

Tanner Haas:

My biggest thing is I desperately want when I'm on my deathbed, that I just want to be out of ideas, and I want to know that I became the best version of myself. Like that is that, to me is big. I really hate regret, like I hate regret, and I only have really one regret in my life. The end, it stuck with me. And it was basketball growing up in high school, like I didn't take enough chances. And you some people be like, Wow, that's a stupid regret stuck with me enough where I will start any company if it comes to my mind. I don't care if I lose money. I don't care. Like I met my wife at the gym and I just went up to her. Like some people always have regret for something, and so I wish I talked to that girl. I wish I started this company. I wish I hate that. I hate that feeling. I will never feel that. So for me, like my spiritual belief is, I want to be the best man I can become. I think this was a podcast I was listening to, and I want to be like if I'm on my deathbed. I want. So imagine like you are on your deathbed, and you have two and there's God in the universe and talking to you and saying, This is what you could have been showing you that, showing you the money, the fame, the happiness, the health, the belief in yourself, the spiritual, let's say realization, and then this the other version of you. And this is like that to me, terrified me. I want to know that I became the best version of myself inside out, helps as many people as possible. Like, that's what drives me, and it's concerning. Like, I mean, I think about that all the time. I just never want to be I missed

BEATE CHELETTE:

an opportunity. Yeah, it's interesting that you said that I just had this like thought over the weekend, and I was like, what drives me to continue right at my age, when people think about retirement and I could just stop and enjoy life and do these these things. But at the same time, I think that when you're impact driven, and that's what I'm hearing from you, Tanner, is that when you when you believe this calling, whatever the calling is. That's why we do this show. Is for people that have this call and how narcissistic or egoistic or egocentric or boisterous it may sound,

Tanner Haas:

a call is a call, and you gotta answer it, and you gotta answer there's full transparency I have. I want to run for for office one day, 2040, that's my goal. And I don't want to, like, I, I wrote it in my for I just feel like some people have a, you have a call for something that's, I don't want to miss that call. And I'll try. I'll try, like, health care, privacy, like I might sound egotistical, like, Oh no, but I'm not if I feel compelled to do something, if I feel this push from within, answer

BEATE CHELETTE:

spiritual principle, yeah, that's a spiritual principle of that is the essence of a call. This has been really an interesting, amazing conversation. The last thing I want to just talk about, what part of your journey made you trust the most in yourself, because you got to be a badass to do what you do.

Tanner Haas:

I mean, it's just, I mean, you develop a unwavering belief in yourself the more that you do it. So I wrote this. I'm not trying to cross promote here. I just honestly believe this is again, I had a calling when I was 18, 19 to write some books, and my second book was called How to achieve and receive everything you want. Obviously, I'm 19, I hadn't achieved and received everything, but I've read a lot. I mean, a lot is since 16, I've been reading three to four books a week. So I'd say voracious reader, and some of them are Michael singer, the next term biographies, to tech, to anything. And like in that I wrote number the number one thing if you want to achieve and receive anything you want, is develop an ongoing belief in yourself. And I will be 100% honest at that time, I did not have an unwavering belief in myself, an unwavering belief that means the world could go against you and you still think you're going to come out on top. And that might be stupid, arrogant, whatever, but like Roger Banister, thought he could break a four minute the four minute barrier in a mile. Doctor, scientist said no, can't be done physically impossible. It's like, No, I can do it. And he did it. And that's the thing that, like most people, you're not born. Most people, I'll say, everybody, nobody's born with this unwavering confidence. A lot of them fake it. But then once you start to work on yourself and you you get up, when you said you were going to get up, you read the book. You said you said you were going to read. You ask that girl out when you said you were going to you start that company, even though you failed. You persist like, that's when you start to develop this belief that you know what I can do, what I say I'm going to do, and I'm going to like, that's when you become proud of who you are. It's not born. You don't have an unwavering belief. And then you start all these things. You're a little shaky, you start a company, you're still shaky. You succeed, and then you're like, damn, I can do that. And that. That's how it works. That's how you for me, that's I just get more confident the more I work, and even if I'm failing, it's like, what that didn't kill me. I'm still kicking that lawsuit I was in still kicking this. I mean, that's really where that's the most fun as an entrepreneur. And it's not fun in it, but it's when I think

BEATE CHELETTE:

it's a backbone that you're building. Yes, if you, if you don't believe it, especially if you're asking for money and investment money, if you don't believe what you're doing, nobody will believe no. Why are they

Tanner Haas:

going to write money if you're not willing to put your own money on the table

BEATE CHELETTE:

exactly on a percent? So for someone who now wants to get the app, where do they

Tanner Haas:

go? You can go to freedomchat.com you don't need me to spell it for you if you're listening, just freedomchat.com you got it download it on iOS or Android. You can go also, if you want to see book recommendations, some of the books I've written, you can go to tannerhaas.com that one I might need to spell out, but I'm sure they can see it in the podcast description.

BEATE CHELETTE:

We'll make sure we have all the links and links in this in the show note. Is there one last thing you want to leave the audience with before we sign off today.

Tanner Haas:

If you have a calling, if you have a push from within, I mean a push like there's a hand on the inside of you, pushing you towards something. Go for it. Whether that's asking somebody out, whether that's starting something, getting in shape, doing some sort of competition, just do it like stop thinking, just do it and you will not regret

BEATE CHELETTE:

it. All right? Tanner, well, that's been an amazing interview. Thank you so much for your time and energy and for being here. I appreciate you very much, and I can feel the passion and the conviction, and I'll vote for you. You got my vote.

Tanner Haas:

2040, I got a few million to get, but we're actually a good start. Appreciate it. All right.

BEATE CHELETTE:

Thank you so much, and until next time, and that is is for us, for today, today's conversation really was a deep dive into what happens when you have a really big, daunting idea that will upset quite a few people past. Simply in the tech industry, when you take a business model that everybody's been following and you flip it upside down, you heard it from Tanner, spread the word, get the app, and as always, guard your privacy, make sure that you're safe as you possibly can be. And with that, we're going to sign off for today and until next time and GOODBYE. That's it for this episode of the Business Growth Architect Show Founders of the Future. If you're done playing small and ready to build the future on your terms, subscribe, share and help us reach more Trailblazers like you. And if you're serious about creating, growing and scaling a business that's aligned with who you are, schedule your uncovery session at uncoverysession.com lead with vision. Move with purpose. Create your future.

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